Update on M3?

I was hoping we’d have an initial attempt at M3 by now – we’re so close, honestly, but just not quite there yet. Annoying, even for me, but good things come to those who wait.

I’m acutely aware of one problem: our up-front decision with this project was to lay out a road to 1.0 that we thought was achievable, and basically just do it in milestone steps. Between M2 and M3, this hasn’t really worked out in the way I would have wanted. From the outside, I assume that it looks like the project has slowed down a bit.

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Where do you (want to) use Bongo?

So, this is the extra task I alluded to in my last blog post, but don’t let that put you off!

I’d love to hear from people about how they use Bongo now, and how they want to use Bongo in the future. Especially, I’d like to hear from people who are watching this project but not participating more directly. So, to that end, I’ve kicked off a discussion on the forum: Where do you (want to) use Bongo?

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Why not Groupware?

So, someone asked me the first good question about the vision for Bongo. To paraphrase, why am I against using the word groupware?

The easy historical answer is that it was almost the rallying call for Hula, and the groupware bad essay by jwz expressed this quite neatly in some ways. But that’s not a very good ‘why’ answer.

For me, the difference is probably quite slight in some respects, but it comes down to who we design features for. Do we design them for people, or do we design them for groups / teams / organisations? In my opinion, the answer has to be that you design for individual people.

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A short word on Hula

I wasn’t going to mention Hula particularly, but since the recent announcement it seems the right time. I’ve said basically the same thing on bongo-devel too:

  • I’m pleased to see Novell have finally got something sorted out. I think we were left in the dark too long, and it was supposed to be an open source community.
  • I’m glad to see Messaging Architects look enthused about Hula, and I will watch where they take it with interest.
  • Bongo is still relevant. While I hope MA will run Hula like a true free software project, I don’t think Novell did, and it will be hard to turn that around. The Novell CA which put a few hackers off is still there. I’m hoping that we can work with MA in the future, we’ll just have to see how thing go.

At the end of the day, we started Bongo because we didn’t want to be reliant on the success (or not) of Hula. I think the inverse is true: the success of Hula doesn’t depend on what happens with Bongo. Either or both projects can achieve that success, and that’s what we really care about.

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About mail aliases.

Pat and I had a good talk the other day about aliases, which I think was triggered from another conversation he had. Hula promised an Alias Agent from about day one, and it never arrived – and it is a big feature a lot of people want. “Group Objects” were misused to attempt to provide this function: I’m not totally sure the difference between a Group and an Alias, except that one relationship was potentially one-to-many.

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Aftermath of 0.3

As releases go, 0.3 has been turning out pretty well. I meant to write about this sooner, but certainly for me after the release of 0.3.1 (which fixed some sadly quite obvious bugs), it’s been going great guns – on my Xen machine (~128Mb RAM, P3) it’s causing basically no load and has been running a couple of weeks without restart (which is rare, because any time I encounter a bug, I will try and fix it which necessitates a restart of Bongo). I have several thousand mails in my account over that time, and while there are a few oddities with mail parsing it’s basically fine.

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Alex’s June status update

It’s been a little while since I blogged about anything 🙂

I have a number of Bongo patches on the go, but have only managed to commit one so far – the creation of secure certificates and crypto data that happens when you install Bongo should now be faster. For those with headless machines, hopefully much faster. We’ve also lost our dependency on gnutls’ certtool, which was a common installation problem (people often didn’t realise it was required). I’d love to hear from anyone who has any problems with the new setup.

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Back to the Hack

So, recently a lot of stuff has been going on in my life – displacing the lower status stuff like hacking Bongo, painting the house, washing, shaving, that kind of thing. While I’ve tried to be online to cajole inspire others, that doesn’t really work – apparently my code talks better than I do. Ho hum.

More bad news – it’s looking increasingly likely that I’m not going to get to Ohio Lugfest in the States like I planned. The choice is coming down between “Ohio LugFest” and “New Kitchen”, and somewhat surprisingly my better half is demanding the improved culinary facilities. I’m still going to hit the States this September, though, I just won’t be able to stay quite as long – but I will try to make a point of seeing people while I’m over.

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Bongo architecture

Many interesting IRC discussions today, so I thought I’d write some of it down. This helps settle things in my mind’s eye if nothing else 🙂

Netmail traditionally allowed people to cluster things in quite interesting/bizarre ways, and you were able to set things up so that there was no single point of failure: the configuration directory could be replicated, as could the store (I believe), and obviously you could set up redundant agents, all over many servers.

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Bongo has joined the Software Freedom Conservancy

It has taken a while for the paperwork and stuff to work through, and I’m sure people who followed the discussion on our mailing lists will have almost entirely forgotten about this by now – but today’s big news is that Bongo is now officially a member of the Software Freedom Conservancy. This is strangely exciting – it’s another step forward for our project which re-affirms our commitment to what we’re trying to achieve.

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